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Why creationism is not the biggest threat to schools
Jan 06, 2009

guardian.co.uk Science The world is full of terrible things and it may seem absurd to be shocked by the state of science teaching more than by war and famine or any of the more obvious candidates. But I was more shocked by the report showing that a significant minority of British science teachers can't see anything much wrong with creationism tha (Read More)
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Greghollingsworth,
Jan 06, 2009
: Granted, this is a much different issue here in the states, but the issue is still something we will deal with more in the coming years. I think that eventually the question has to come down to this, how would these Christian families react if we started teaching children all the various creationist theories? What if we brought in the Muslim creation story, taught the Native American creation story, the Buddhist, the Shintoist, and on and on down the line?

To me this isn't so much about teaching creationism as it is an attempt by Christian fundamentalists (yep, I'm gonna go there) to bring only their view alongside the theory of evolution (which I personally loathe to see called Darwinism). What about all the others?

@michaelfidler,
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@thomaspower and anyone else I'm leaving out, i would be very interested to hear your thoughts on this issue.
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Greghollingsworth,
Jan 09, 2009
: This isn't an issue about freedom of speech, this is an issue of the responsibility of government employees, which public school teachers are.

@thekookfringecom and
@jmalmberg are correct, if I don't like what I'm watching on TV, I can change the channel. The children sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher (a government employee) cannot simply raise their hand and say that they would like the teacher to teach something different now.

Additionally, freedom of speech does not generally extend to any workplace. For instance, if I walked into my job and started spouting off racial or religious epithets, I would be fired. There would most likely be no grounds for criminal prosecution (as I would have broken no laws), but I certainly wouldn't get to keep my job.

I will grant you that teachers are often in an awkward position, having to teach to a core curriculum that they may or not agree with, but if they want to teach ID, they are more than welcome to seek a position at a parochial institution. Science class is for scientific theory and proof, not philosophical debate over something that cannot be proved empirically.

I am not trying to downplay faith on a personal level, this is not about a given person, this is about an institution that serves the public, in a civic, secular fashion. No one religion should be given preference to another, especially by the government, that is what freedom of religion in this country is all about. Teaching ID, which is ostensibly a christian theory, would give preference to christianity over other religions, and that is where the violation of the establishment clause would come into play.

Oh, and might I remind whoever it was that threw out that "In God We Trust" is our national motto, I would remind them that the phrase Novus Ordo Seclorum (New Secular Order) appears just as many dollar bills as In God We Trust.
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Greghollingsworth,
Jan 09, 2009
: oh, and
@homosuperior, I love it when people use the word onomatopoeia. It's such a big, complicated word for very simple things.
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Let's End Drug Prohibition - WSJ.com
Dec 06, 2008

Submitted by Michaelfidler: Today is the 75th anniversary of that blessed day in 1933 when Utah became the 36th and deciding state to ratify the 21st amendment, thereby repealing the 18th amendment. This ended the nation's disastrous experiment with alcohol prohibition. (Read More)
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Michaelfidler,
Dec 06, 2008
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Wondering where you guys weigh in on this one. I'm wondering if all four of you will ever agree on anything. Maybe this will be it. Doubtful, Very doubtful!
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Greghollingsworth,
Dec 12, 2008
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@michaelfidler Don't know, now that he knows he won't be the decider any more, maybe he is starting to realize he's got a long time to think about what he's done. Although, didn't seem like he opened up very much, and I'm sorry, but I don't for a minute believe that he hasn't had a drink in 30 years.
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Michaelfidler,
Dec 13, 2008
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@greghollingsworth I don't believe it for a minute either. Besides, if he hasn't already done so, he is going to have a lot of time on his hands as you pointed out! I wouldn't wish relapse on anyone, so I'm going to refrain from doing it!
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NOMINATE: The 2008 socialmedian Top 50 Newsmakers
Nov 30, 2008

Submitted by Jasongoldberg: Who are the top 50 people who made socialmedian great this year? Nominate your favorite Newsmakers by December 5, 2008. Nominate up to 5 Newsmakers by identifying their @username in the comments field to this story no later than December 5, 2008. The top 50 vote-getters will get a special socialmedian holiday gift (even (Read More)
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Jasongoldberg,
Nov 30, 2008
: My 5 nominees are as follows:
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@greghollingsworth, and
@thomaspower. Who are your top 5?
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Dec 09, 2008
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Letter -- It's Not OK for Barack Obama to Smoke
Nov 28, 2008

washingtonpost.com - Letters to the Editor Michael Kinsley suggested that President-elect Barack Obama may be fibbing about giving up cigarettes and said we should "offer him a light and look the other way" ["Let the Guy Smoke," op-ed, Nov. 20]. Mr. Kinsley may have said this in jest, but it's no joke that smoking is the leading preventable cause of death in this co (Read More)
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Michaelfidler,
Nov 28, 2008
: I didn't know Obama was a smoker.
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Nathanlarge,
Dec 07, 2008
: Melanie

Who: Obama
What: he smokes
When: when he wants
Where: any were he wants
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Desormeaux,
Dec 15, 2008
: Why should it matter if he smokes?, geez man.
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Joe Biden shuts down GOP talking point-spewing machine
Oct 27, 2008

Crooks and Liars Joe Biden sat down for an interview with Florida television anchor Barbara West Thursday and got hit by a barrage of Sean Hannity's talking points, prompting him to ask at one point, "Are you joking? Is this a joke? Is that a real question?"Interviewer: "You may recognize this famous quote: "From each according to his abili (Read More)
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Thekookfringecom,
Oct 27, 2008
: So one reporter takes the side of McCain - versus the ENTIRE MAINSTREAM MEDIA taking the side of Barack Obama - and this is how liberals react? Imagine for one minute if Sarah Palin had asked Charlie Gibson or Katie Couric - if their questions were "a joke" or "I don't know who's writing your questions."

The liberals would be railing against Palin as an incompetent and it would be headline news everywhere.

So when a reporter asks a Democrat legitimate questions or when a private citizen (Joe the Plumber) asks a Democratic presidential candidate a legitimate question about his socialistic tax plan - the liberal reaction is to attack and discredit the reporter and the private citizen - not to question the tax plan or ACORN, or whatever THAT was the Biden said about Obama in Seattle...

It wasn't 24 hours before Joe dared to ask Barack "the question" that we knew A.) Joe didn't have a plumbers license B.) Joe owed back taxes and C.) John McCain was a fool for not 'vetting' Joe the Plumber prior to the debate.

What a horrific and thugish ideology - This is what we have to look forward to from an Obama administration - the precedent is now set, don't you dare question the messiah, or the Democrats and the media will come after you. Amazing how 'intolerant' liberals are of conservative 'dissent' toward socialism...

And liberals were worried about their civil rights being trounced under Bush, how about freedom of speech? Yeah its free, so long as you 100% agree with Obama...

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Ex Modia,
Nov 06, 2008
: OK. But remember, that same place where the misinterpreted "traditional" definition of marriage is found also says that we should treat others as we would want others to treat us.
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Schilke,
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@rpetty thanks - I've been thinking the same before but had no time to make up a ticket ;)
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The Search for Sarah Palin's 'Gay Friends' | PEEK | AlterNet
Oct 05, 2008

Submitted by Jasongoldberg: The hands-down lamest excuse of Americans attempting to deny accusations of prejudice has long been: "But, some of my best friends are (African-American/Latino/gay/fill-in-the-blank)."In the flurry of news stories that first started coming out about Sarah Palin following John McCain's choice of her as his running mate, it w (Read More)
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Zote63,
Oct 05, 2008
: you betcha' she's got gay freinds, don't you know?...wink, wink...
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Homosuperior,
Oct 09, 2008
: So I guess nobody's found this guy or girl, huh? What a surprise.
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Thekookfringecom,
Oct 14, 2008
: If you found out that in the end she did indeed have gay friends, would it really change your opinion about her?
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