In the newsjam we discuss whether it's over for Copenhagen even before the climate change talks start.
Science correspondent Ian Sample travels to Switzerland to meet Lynn Evans, the project manager of the Large Hadron Collider. Evans tells us about the moment he found out something had gone horribly wrong with the LHC. Listen to the entire interview in the latest Science Weekly Extra podcast.
The Observer's science and technology editor Robin McKie joins us in the pod for the first time. Seasoned Science Weekly podcaster and Guardian environment correspondent David Adam is also on hand.