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@rafe 's bad web 2.0 day By rosevictor
Feb 10, 2009

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My bad Web 2.0 day
Submitted by Rafe
Jul 30, 2008


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I'm testing out socialmedian by posting this story. I'm also hoping that socialmedian does not fall into the category of products I discuss in this post. Read the full article

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Jasongoldberg,
Jul 30, 2008
Hey Rafe -- read your article just now.

Of course, we too hope that socialmedian does not fall into the category of products you discussed.

Here are a few reasons we think not.

1. We have built socialmedian over the course of 2008 with the direct help and input of thousands of people from around the world who have participated in our alpha. It's not a product looking for an audience rather an audience-built product.

2. We have chosen not to demo at Demo (asked but we turned down because there is no point in us paying $18K to demo socialmedian at this point), nor at TC50 (discussed with Mike but we both agree that socialmedian with 4300 alpha users is further along than stealth startup). We are working with TC on a different sort of presence by socialmedian at TC50. Stay tuned.

3. We're solving a real problem here at socialmedian: The noise factor. All these web 2.0 apps have turned the volume way up. We're helping people filter down the noise to personal interests. Which we think may be a web 3.0 beginning.

We'll see.
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Sarahcrisman,
Jul 30, 2008
The downfall of the 2.0 is you don't have to be creative to create, nor do you have to be brilliant to add a significant level of noise. I can absolutely understand Rafe's frustration with the amateurization of new media start-ups, but it did make me pause to consider why I've so actively engaged in SocialMedian over other sites. I've had to great pleasure of tinkering with the Alpha and have to say that it's my favorite find this year. Jason and the rest of the team have actively engaged my participation from the start, making me feel like I am a part of this fascinating process(an amazing trinket of 2.0) SocialMedian directs their labor of love to users. It's a lovely dance of interactivity, sharing, and connection. I can't wait to see what's next!
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Infodiva,
Jul 30, 2008
I have a problem with the "Marketing Machine" regarding certain aspects in promoting Internet innovations. Why solicit people at large just for them to critique an Internet tool? I like target marketing. Just as a Librarian cultivates a collection of information sources (i.e books, bibliographies, websites..etc) based on the taste and consensus of a community or client, why cannot socialmedian be a web 2.0 user created collection? Free of the expectations that forking over 18K just to have overly exposed to Web 2.0 apps attendees pick it apart based on their tastes. I have seen the bad products. I have seen the failed concepts. socialmedian is built to expand and accommodate its infrastructure to the needs of it's social community. I don't believe it will be insular. To me it is like "The Well" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WELL_(virtual_community)) but with a better interface and ability to add sources. Remember it is about the Quality of the social community not Quantity of participants. socialmedian will have better control and integrity and diffuse the noise by letting the audience build and grow the product.
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Solacetech,
Jul 30, 2008
Being an early adapter usually means signing up, liking then dis-liking and then moving on. I haven't felt the need to move on here. I think allowing us to create the Categories ourselves and watch the interactivity is what makes this one of the best killer apps this year. Making us a part of the progress is great and then allowing to sort our own noise is even better! I've honestly stopped using Greader,Toluu,Rssmeme and Readburner because of Socialmedian...
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Infodiva,
Jul 30, 2008
I have a problem with the "Marketing Machine" regarding certain aspects in promoting Internet innovations. Why solicit people at large just for them to critique an Internet tool? I like target marketing. Just as a Librarian cultivates a collection of information sources (i.e books, bibliographies, websites..etc) based on the taste and consensus of a community or client, why cannot socialmedian be a web 2.0 user created collection? Free of the expectations that forking over 18K just to have overly exposed to Web 2.0 apps attendees pick it apart based on their tastes. I have seen the bad products. I have seen the failed concepts. socialmedian is built to expand and accommodate its infrastructure to the needs of its social community. I don't believe it will be insular nor disappointing.It is dynamic. To me it is like "The Well" href='(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WELL_(virtual_community))' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WELL_(virtual_community))' target='_blank'>target='_blank'>(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WELL_(virtual_community)) but with a better interface and ability to add sources. Remember it is about the Quality of the social community not Quantity of participants. socialmedian will have better control and integrity and diffuse the noise by letting the audience build and grow the product.
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Article Dan,
Jul 31, 2008
Agreed, agreed, agreed. 2.0 is littered with tat and tittle-tattle, but some bright stars do shine.

Social Median? Well, it's my first day, but I have to say there's a degree of confusion in the variety of options and choices. It's no pick up and play, but hell, why should it be? We've all got so used to not having to think too much to engage in a web app / community, maybe a little consideration wouldn't hurt.

It might hurt Social Median, of course...

Aggregation on trusted sources is definitely the way forward, and if the aim is to seperate wheat from chaff, then that will logically take a greater level of user input, discernment (at least in the early app education process). Not something we've been giuded towards getting used to. But I think it will come to that, and users will embrace the concept of investment yielding better return for web time.

I can but hope.
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Article Dan,
Jul 31, 2008
Wow. Site comments crush the carriage returns. I've been auto-subbed and squished. Bummer.
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Aguynamedben,
Jul 31, 2008
oh noez he didn't say web 3.0
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Aguynamedben,
Jul 31, 2008
oh noez he didn't say web 3.0
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Aguynamedben,
Jul 31, 2008
oh noes he didn't say web 3.0
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Davidpetherick,
Jul 31, 2008
Yeah, I miss those carriage returns.

But socialmedian is getting more and more useful for tuning out noise and picking up signal.
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Davidpetherick,
Jul 31, 2008
Ooh.

Type %lt;br /> at the end of lines

And you get carriage returns.

Clunky but it works.
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Davidpetherick,
Jul 31, 2008
Oops.

I meant to say - type: <br />
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Jowyang,
Jul 31, 2008
nice posting
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Article Dan,
Aug 01, 2008
Ah...
Coding in all things.
Beautiful.
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Rapideye,
Nov 06, 2008
Heh - I love Rafe.
He is our generation's John C. Dvorak.
Rafe, what age did Dvorak transition from being a krumudgin to being a cranky old man?
"Get off my Web 2.0 you darn kids!!!"
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