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Dec 08, 2008
This is an example of a reviewer not taking the time to erly test what they are reviewing. He's entitled to his opinion's but there is information in here that's inaccurate. I'll leave him a comment on his site when I get home tonight
Dec 08, 2008
@jasongoldberg They can't all be good, but he's just wrong, and incorrect about several things he states.
Dec 08, 2008
@michaelfidler I left the following comment on his site in response.
Allen: In a word, wow. There are so many inaccuracies in your article I don't know where to start. You are certainly entitled to your opinion if you don't like socialmedian as a service but at least get your facts right. Grand theft content while a nice sensationalist headline is just plain wrong and a silly accusation. It might get people to read your blog post but it's just not true. Next you'll probably accuse us of being linked to a hothead pastor, of not really being born in the U.S., and of associating with Bill Ayers. First off, socialmedian is publisher friendly. We enable users to discover content on the web that they in many cases would never have seen/discovered. We promote popular sources and help users find new sources of content for the topics they care abotu. Like other social news sites, socialmedian enables people to aggregate and discover content from multiple sources and then link off to the original source. socialmedian does not scrape content from any source. We only grab RSS summaries from sources that our users have personally selected to use our tools to get feeds from (like Google Reader). socialmedian abides by a fair-use policy for content on our site. We only grab summaries of content and then link off to the original content. Every article on socialmedian includes a read more link which clicks out to the external source. When viewing a list of stories, the title of the story links directly to the original story on the external site. When viewing a list of socialmedian user activities that the title of the story directs to a socialmedian internal page. Yes, socialmedian encourages our users to carry on the discussion on socialmedian. We do this as a service to our users, similar to Digg, Facebook, and other social sites. When a user shares a story from socialmedian onto twitter, they have the choice of either sharing a link to discuss that story on socialmedian or to direct their twitter followers to the original story. Above all, the benefit of socialmedian to the end user is being able to get the news they need filtered by people who share their interests. This works rather well and has been greeted with great response by our users who use socialmedian to find and discuss content of interest through their social networking contacts. Whether socialmedian is labeled "beta" or not, it continues to be a work in progress. Our model from day 1 has been to listen carefully to user feedback and to adjust very quickly and provide enhancements. We likewise work closely with publishers to learn how best to enable socialmedian promote their content. This is all an ongoing evolving process. We only removed the "beta" tag because we heard feedback that even in this day and age of every Google product being labeled "beta" there are still many non-techy/mainstream users who are skeptical of trying a news service that is still in beta. So, we decided to continue our public evolution of socialmedian without the beta tag. The philosophy of listen, learn, adjust, repeat still follows. Thanks for stopping by to check us out. Best, -jason 
Dec 08, 2008
@jasongoldberg I didn't see your comment on his site... Odd.
@michaelfidler I submitted the following comment: Allen, While I appreciate giving props where props are due and being appropriately respectful to content creators, it seems to me you are missing a key value of community: communication. Aren't we missing the point if we become so obsessed with driving traffic that we forget to slow down and appreciate the conversation? I found this blog (your blog) on SocialMedian. I wouldn't have found it if Jason Goldberg hadn't submitted it. People I respect are discussing this and that is why I am here. You don't need to feel threatened. We're the ones paying attention. We're driving the traffic. Also, you are flagrantly inaccurate, but I'll leave that bone for someone else to pick. Regards, Sarah 
Dec 08, 2008
i have replied to the listed comments...
http://www.centernetworks.com/socialmedian-content-goldberg
Dec 08, 2008
Great discussion on this over at FriendFeed http://friendfeed.com/e/8d8fac6b-ef3e-deb2-35fb-40772990c839/new-post-Socialmedian-Exits-Beta-Goldberg-Charged/
Sina,
Dec 08, 2008
Being just a simple Socialmedian enthusiast myself, it almost felt like Allen is saying that all (Socialmedian) users are content thiefs. I very much would like to say that someone has an inferiority complex, and it certainly makes me somehow guilty for being part of this community. On the other hand, I'd like to stump in my glumness for what Allen wrote and simply call it as a bad move on his behalf.
As a matter of fact, I will keep posting and clipping on Socialmedian and neglect the false accusations. And if Allen Stern's stubbornness keep his boat floating on the "look at me" wave, then let him indoctrinate his propaganda. 
Dec 08, 2008
Posted this underneath that blog:
"I found Social Median a few weeks ago and have been using it as a user-friendly way to get at new stories quickly. In all cases, i click to the source site of the article/blog. If the content is well-written and the site is easy to navigate, then I typically will bookmark it (delicious, stumbleupon, digg, etc). Many of the articles are from well-known sites like NYT, CNN, Huffpost, etc, but quite a few gems are from sites that I never would have heard about in a million years. I can't speak for others, but for me, finding a thread of news or information and following the thread until my curiosity is satisfied is how I use the Web. Social Median isn't quite there yet, but its a good start. One thing is for certain, we'll see dozens more cohorts of Goldberg's platform in the months to come. I will not be surprised if we don't start seeing them integrated with Calais or other semantic Web technologies that will allow for greater, serendipitous discovery of content from completely unrelated Web brands."
Dec 08, 2008
@jasongoldberg Jason , Nice reply, I think you hit on most of the key points. I do have a question, but I'm not sure if its relevant. As you know I'm not a blogger, so I need your input regarding some of the popular bloggging tools. Do either Backtype or Disqus help blogger's track comments made away from their sites. If so, does that apply here?
Dec 08, 2008
@michaelfidler backtype yes, disqus no. Backtype helps you search for whenever someone has mentioned you or a topic in a comment. Disqus is more of a cross-platform commenting tool.
Dec 08, 2008
@jasongoldberg Good reply Jason. Well put. SocialMedian is a great site. Sites should encourage exposure to there content all over the net as ultimately they end up with more eye balls at there sites.
Dec 08, 2008
@jasongoldberg I just lost a comment I was preparing,(windows crashed)and I don't feel like reproducing it. I'm kind of glad it's gone, because it has lead to another thought about this. Since the comments and the clipping are my work, then maybe I'm the one that should be compensated for them, not him. I don't care to be, but it's the same logic that he's using in his post. Allen needs to start looking at the way the web is changing and start adapting to it. It's only going to continue to make information easier to share, and spread it out in ways we haven't even begun to imagine. Web 3.0 is all about the interconnecting of data. If he's troubled now, just wait!
Dec 08, 2008
Hey Jason - how come you snip the comments in the emails? I've received a couple of emails this morning and both have only one line and then a forced link to this site. Why don't you put the entire comment in the email?
Dec 08, 2008
@jasongoldberg lol, same as disqus and countless others - i point it out and then it's "oh we gotta fix that" :) add a comment when its fixed - thanks!
Dec 08, 2008
@centernetworks welcome to software development -- where it's never done and you can't always get to everything as fast as you'd like. software development is all about prioritization and making choices about what to do first given limited resources.
Dec 08, 2008
I love Social | Median and am very proud of Jason's tireless efforts to improve this site, well beyond the functionality and genius of any other social "news" sharing site on the net. Information sharing will become more and more organic, diverse and free form. Jason was wise enough to see this model evolving and wisely provided a rich tool designed to enable the end user to fully participate in such and open model of info/data/content sharing...I LOVE IT! :)
Dec 08, 2008
@centernetworks keep pushing us to make socialmedian better. we live for that. ask any of our users ;-)
Dec 08, 2008
I am disappointed by Allen's article and comments. His article sounded like whining. It is the type of whining that is usually followed by legal threats. In doing so, he has turned me *away* from his site. I have been directed to his site numerous times from here. Social media (Social Median) drives traffic to a site. I always tend to click through to the originating site to see the discussion there as well as here. Then there is such comments as "thanks jason, i get it, been doing this a long time." It sounds like pouting. His article and reaction to criticism has left a bad taste in my mouth. It has done more harm to his credibility as a journalist in this world of social media. He needs to get over it -- this (sm) is far more beneficial to his site than detrimental. Hopefully he will see this before he does much more damage to himself and his company. @jasongoldberg You have the right idea, the right formula and the right approach. Keep it up, I will be here enjoying it.
Dec 08, 2008
For the record, I click through to the original story a much higher percent of the time with Social|Median than I do in Google Reader.
Dec 08, 2008
Allen: I'm setting aside your traffic-seeking headline, and the main thrust of your discontent (I see others have addressed this)...
As far as commenting and re-self-publishing, I fear you yourself betray the folly of the A-lister. FOR MOST OF US Z-LISTERS, WE'RE GODDAMN LUCKY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT ALL TO FRAGMENT. You know what? I'm going to have to stop myself here, as I try to converse less on blogs that don't allow the conversation to escape. P.S. "Lazy", "Theft", "Fragment", "India", "Confusion". Too little focus, too little support for your headline.
Dec 08, 2008
@susanbeebe oh, hai! Just read and commented on allen's flamepost... good to know you are a socialmedian(ite?) :-)
Dec 08, 2008
@reechard thanks for your comment. just to clarify - not only am i not a-list, but if you regularly read my site, i do everything i can to help pimp the sites and startups that will never get coverage from the "a-list".
Mott,
Dec 08, 2008
@jasongoldberg Keep up the good work! For as much time I spend reading what s|m brings to me, s|m has saved me ten fold in finding it for myself.
Dec 08, 2008
@centernetworks Fair enough! Care to pick a letter? Surely you're big enough to be concerned over ad revenue dilution - or maybe I'm mis-reading between the lines :-)
Dec 08, 2008
@reechard unfortunately you and the rest of Jason's army haven't taken the time to really read or ask me to what I mean at all. It's too bad too. Trust me, if it was all about ad dollars to me, CN would be a very different place and perhaps I could pay the rent this month.
Dec 08, 2008
@centernetworks HAHAHA This is perhaps the 3rd time I logged in to social median. I have indeed been to CN before, but you can be sure it will be a rare occasion in future.
GO AHEAD and call me what you want - I'm not a "social median" nor a "center networker" but you can be sure I'll remember WHO SAID WHAT. Keep going, now it's just "entertainment" :-)
Dec 08, 2008
@centernetworks One would figure you meant what you wrote. It was a negative post with a sensationalized title. it looked like you were being an attention whore. If I have that wrong, then take the time to explain it to me (us.) Your continued choice of wording " ... you and the rest of Jason's army ... " does little to dispel my judgement of your motive. I am not a part of Jason's army. I would expect to have a salary if I was ;) If you attack something that people like, expect them to defend it.
Dec 09, 2008
@reechard @centernetworks I know you don't agree with Allen this time around, but why should that be cause to visit his site less often. This is one of the first times I've found his opinions objectionable, but he has an excellent track record, and a portfolio of work that deserves some respect. I have followed his work long before Socialmedian came into my life. I have to admit that because of socialmedian, I now visit his site 10 times as often as I did before. Most of the time I discover his new work in his rss feed, but I still visit the site and will continue to in future! If anything he has brought up an interesting issue, and helped start a healthy debate. You have been a little brash in you comments, Allan. There has been some low blows thrown on both sides though!
Dec 09, 2008
I read the article, and most of the comments, I did not leave a comment, I figured it would be better placed here.
Until Social|Median I rarely found myself wanting to get involvved in commentary on other sites. It seemed as if conversation threads always turned rather vicious and personal when discussing nearly anything. What I've found in Social|Median's community is a group of open-minded people who may get a tad heated at times, but can always find a way to part ways on a pleasant note. @centernetworks while you may feel that @jasongoldberg has accomplished this with means you may not agree with, it seems as though the examples you use are a select few. To be honest, I rarely read the summaries provided by S|M, I almost always click straight through to the primary source, then I return to S|M for the commentary and discussion. It is unfortunate that at this stage you do not see the benefit of this site, but as a daily user of this site I find it to be significantly better than friendfeed, digg, delicious, etc... That is of course only my opinion, but, I can assure you that calling people out on the carpet will not win over readers, or at the very least, it will not dissuade S|M users from coming back. 
Dec 09, 2008
I commented on the original article. Allen is a great guy. I enjoy his sense of humor, his efforts and his attention to people, services, etc. He wants to fight the establishment and win one for the little guy. That said, he and I often disagree, in a friendly way. He wants all the content and page views and comments on his site, and deplores sites like socialmedian, Friendfeed, Disqus, you name it. I happen to love those sites. I love the fragmentation and opportunity to engage where you want to be, not where I tell you to be. Allen is not somebody to be won over, but someone to respect for sure. @centernetworks @jasongoldbeg
Dec 09, 2008
@jasongoldberg I just typoed the hell out of your name. I thought you could edit comments? ;)
Dec 09, 2008
@louisgray clearly that baby swing has got you a bit :) you know that i dont want to control the pageviews - you keep using that as your reasoning for 5 years now. good gosh!
Dec 09, 2008
@centernetworks You are still using negatives. And when directly asked to explain to us, you ignore it. It makes me think that the conclusions here are correct and you really just do not get it at all. You continue to shoot yourself in the foot here.
Dec 09, 2008
@centernetworks what exactly is your complaint then? If you're chief complaint is that S|M is scraping your content (which I would argue it is not), then you are upset that this site takes pageviews away from yours.
If it is the fact that the conversation around your content is not entirely on your site, then again, you're talking about pageviews. If your complaint is that S|M is taking your content and not giving you credit, you're just wrong. I guess I just don't really understand what the problem is?
Dec 09, 2008
@greghollingsworth I just do not think @centernetworks gets it. All the comments made are attacking in nature. There are veiled "insults" in them and there is the refusal to actually state what he means when directly asked (after complaining that no one asked) I think you have it right, it is all about pageviews (and conversely revenue) and controlling the comments. Perhaps it is an insecurity thing? Until it is explain as asked, I am left with no other conclusion.
Dec 09, 2008
Dec 09, 2008
@Greghollingsworth ohhh... good choice going with jasongoldberg. i guess i'll take allen stern, even though obviously he is weak sauce.
Dec 09, 2008
@joannedevault well like I said, it's based completely on avatar selection. Somehow I think @jasongoldberg could take Natalie Portman, although, I would hope it would never come to blows.
Dec 09, 2008
@Greghollingsworth @Rythan who in their right mind wouldnt go with @jasongoldberg! he'd take anyone if neccesary.
Dec 10, 2008
@centernetworks FYI, I have no army and organize no troops. socialmedian is a volunteer community and every opinion here is of our users on their own behalf with no prompting.
Clearly there's some passion here!
Dec 10, 2008
@jasongoldberg What do you think of this marketing idea for Allen's plan. Make every comment worth a penny. And the Ad Campaign can be called "a penny for you thoughts". O.K., back to the drawing board!
Dec 10, 2008
@michaelfidler Indeed! I'm sure there's a disconnect here! But, I simply cannot parse his flamepost, his problem, his defensiveness, and his lazy generalizing. I won't have it! And, I'm sure I'll forget all about it in a few weeks.
Dec 11, 2008
@jasongoldberg We got your back ... without prompting! I agree with @reechard, @centernetworks still refuses to reply when he was asked directly by me to explain despite complaining that no one asked! Seems that it must only be flamebait. It is unfortunate because I am turned away from CN now.
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