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Oct 27, 2008
So one reporter takes the side of McCain - versus the ENTIRE MAINSTREAM MEDIA taking the side of Barack Obama - and this is how liberals react? Imagine for one minute if Sarah Palin had asked Charlie Gibson or Katie Couric - if their questions were "a joke" or "I don't know who's writing your questions."
The liberals would be railing against Palin as an incompetent and it would be headline news everywhere. So when a reporter asks a Democrat legitimate questions or when a private citizen (Joe the Plumber) asks a Democratic presidential candidate a legitimate question about his socialistic tax plan - the liberal reaction is to attack and discredit the reporter and the private citizen - not to question the tax plan or ACORN, or whatever THAT was the Biden said about Obama in Seattle... It wasn't 24 hours before Joe dared to ask Barack "the question" that we knew A.) Joe didn't have a plumbers license B.) Joe owed back taxes and C.) John McCain was a fool for not 'vetting' Joe the Plumber prior to the debate. What a horrific and thugish ideology - This is what we have to look forward to from an Obama administration - the precedent is now set, don't you dare question the messiah, or the Democrats and the media will come after you. Amazing how 'intolerant' liberals are of conservative 'dissent' toward socialism... And liberals were worried about their civil rights being trounced under Bush, how about freedom of speech? Yeah its free, so long as you 100% agree with Obama... Saludos Comrades! 
Oct 27, 2008
That's a little harsh. I think Biden acted like an experienced pol and shut down the questioner while Palin just flubbed it. The questioner asked if Obama was "Marxist" -- come on. That's just asking to be berated.
Oct 27, 2008
@jasongoldberg - Actually I think Biden handled the questions well - the point I'm trying to make is that when Joe Biden or Barack Obama get a tough question - and frankly the spreading the wealth around comment is tantamount to Marxism (too each according to his need, from each according to his ability) - the media and the campaign react by silencing the critic.
There are a lot of people out there (me included) who think Obama's policies are to change us into a socialist country. The problem is most liberals just don't believe it. They think Obama's talking about a 'progressive tax system' i.e. like the one we've always had and similar to what was under Clinton. What they don't understand is never did Clinton or any other liberal consider writing checks to the bottom 40% to level the playing field like Obama's proposing. That's Marxism... And it should give you and every other American pause... 
Oct 28, 2008
I listened to this and thought Biden did his best to avoid the questions. He is clearly not used to difficult questions or to have his positions challenged. I would really like to see the media equally scrutinize both sides--it is their job after all!
http://www.socialmedian.com/story/1420360/editing-their-way-to-oblivion-journalism-sacrificed-for-power-and-pensions
Oct 28, 2008
@rpetty Amen Brutha! I run a blog at www.TheKookFringe.com - the gist of the blog is about mainstream media bias - the media is only scrutinizing the republicans while the dems get a pass, or worse when the dems get questioned like Biden in this interview - or when Joe the Plumber goaded Obama into saying "spreading the wealth around" - the mainstream media turned on the station, the reporter who asked the qeuestions, and also went after Joe the plumber and tried to discredit him, as if punishing the dissenter who dared ask the question changes the policies of a potential obama presidency... Not only is it biased, its turning into thuggish...
Oct 28, 2008
Asking if someone is a Marxist or a socialist is a tough question? No, it's just repeating viral e-mail smears. It's absurd on the face of it. No one who knows anything about Marx or Marxists, or marxists, or Sweden, for that matter would consider it a legitimate question.
Oct 28, 2008
@homosuperior @thekookfringecom @rpetty hey all -- check this out on http://election.socialmedian.com
Oct 28, 2008
I agree with Homosuperior here. Most Americans who repeat the 'socialist' smear, haven't a clue what socialism really is. For one thing it's not communism, and for another, Ralph Nader is about the nearest we've got to a socialist in this campaign and he is way way to the left of Obama. In Europe and the UK, Obama would definitely be considered for what he is - RIGHT of center.
Oct 28, 2008
Charlie Gibson asked Palin if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. How you can equate that type of neutral question with "How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?" is beyond me.
The socialism argument, end of America as we know it argument are nothing more than smear tactics. A 3% tax increase on the very wealthy and tax breaks for the middle class are nor socialism. Disagree or agree - just get your facts straight. Conservatives used to be against big government, now they are content to allow the federal government to dictate every aspect of our lives. That is the dangerous precedent set by George Bush. 
Oct 28, 2008
Socialism has a definition, and it is not "spread the wealth around" or "to each according to his need, from each according to his ability". Socialism is defined as "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." Now, I'm not quite sure how Obama's tax plan advocates for Government seizing control of the means of production, certainly not anymore than the $700bn bailout plan and John McCain's advocacy of the government buying shares in failing banks.
Oct 28, 2008
If Obama were only talking about the 'progressive tax system' like we've always had then conservatives wouldn't be sounding the Alarm about socialism. Its not just income taxes he proposing changing, its dividends, capital gains (on stocks, home sales, etc), lifting the payroll tax cap, etc... So this notion that Obama only wants to raise the highest level from 36 - 39% is just the tip of the iceberg.
SOCIALISM: A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. MARXISM: "FROM each according to his ability, TO each according to his need." You can call those who think Obama believes in those tenants as 'extremists' and that's fine, but those two definitions sound a lot like Obama... 
Oct 28, 2008
What is amazing is how the left says this is the "GOP talking point-spewing machine" when Senator McCain sits down and she drills him just the same. Should we say that she has a dual personality and now she is the evil left-wing media?
She asked hard questions and everyone gasped that finally someone directly questions the policies of Messiah Obama. Get a real news article instead of this left wing garbage that this website keeps on giving out. Politico.com is a much better standard for political journalism. 
Oct 28, 2008
@greghollingsworth Taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group is classic socialism, have you ever read the Nazi Party Platform?
Oct 28, 2008
And by the way, if the questions are so lame and Biden did such a great job of shooting them down why in the world would he refuse anymore interviews? Would you not want to jump at the chance to make someone look like a fool? You Libs are cry babies, what is Obama going to do when he gets in the White House and a reporter actually asks him a tough question, throw him out?
Oct 28, 2008
Did you know that the anchor woman's husband is an operative for the GOP? Nobody brings that up...but it's germaine. Comparing Marx and Obama has the same validity as comparing Hitler to Obama, and if you think that one holds true, you are rock-solid set in your ideals.
Oct 28, 2008
@politicalcrunch so taking $700bn from the taxpyaers and giving it to failing banks is socialist then. Thank you for proving my point. The "redistribution of wealth" is a tenet of socialism yes, and in that way our government has been socialist since the introduction of the present income tax system.
Oct 28, 2008
Who cares! The reporter asked legitimate questions, Marxism and socialism are about governing by a collective - Obamas opinions and ideals have been shaped by self proclaimed Marxists like William Ayers. I love it when libs jump on this bandwagon like Joe The Plumber owes back taxes and the reporters wife is a GOP operative as if that somehow changes the validity of the questions asked of the Messiah and Biden. Gwen Ifel is writing a book about Politics in the age of Obama that comes out on inaugeration day, did you say she was an operative for the Democratic party who shouldn't moderate the debate? Doubtful...
Oct 28, 2008
@greghollingsworth You're right, it is, and I assure most traditional conservatives were against the bailout. Let the banks fail and let new business models come into play. Its the capitalist way. If the government tinkers in the free market it just delays the inevitable or delays the recovery...
Oct 28, 2008
@obamapound - Really? Which "bush doctrine" was (the learned professor that Gibson is) he referring to?
Oct 28, 2008
@politicalcrunch and by the way, I am not a liberal. My politic beliefs tend to align with the GOP of the Teddy Roosevelt era, not the current hawkish, neo-con GOP. I am not a Democrat, nor a Republican, nor a Libertarian, or a member of any other party. Factionalism has gotten us where |
