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Oct 05, 2008
@zote63
Hillarious. Obama and Biden don't support gay marriage either, but you're silent about that. Palin doesn't support denying abortions to 12 year old rape victims either. You guys are a bunch of fools and hypocrites. Palin believes in god, so she's a religious extremist. But you're silent about Jeramiah Wright - Oabama's US OF KKKA Preacher of 20 years - is utterly hypocritical, now THAT is religious extremism. 
Oct 05, 2008
well, I actually listened to what jeremiah wright had to say he made a lot of sense...when he was quoted out context, yes it was extreme...you seem to want to attack me...where did I say I supported obama and biden?...to me, they are both corrupt hacks...obama for change?...that's so laughable it makes me want to cry...he's only gotten 22 million from wall street this year...biden...they don't call him Senator Mastercard for nothing...but I would take both those gentlemen over McCain/Palin any day of the week...Palin increased the budged ot Alaska by 60%...she left Wassilia in debth...she did not sell the plane on ebay...so I'm glad you're not a fool or hypocrite...way to go!!!!
Oct 05, 2008
@zote63 @thekookfringecom @zote63 I think that Obama & Biden's position of in favor of domestic partner benefits but against gay marriage is positive, safe, but lame. Obama speaks of being proud to be above political expediency but this is a case where I'm certain he's taken a position that he thinks he needs in order to get elected vs. what he thinks/knows is rig
Oct 05, 2008
For the record, I support Ralph Nader and one reason why I do so is that I got sick and tired of Democrats taking safe positions in order to get elected...they haven't ended the war...they caved on the bailout...and frankly, Obama's and Biden's positon on gay rights is disgusting...how dare they deny someone full rights and expression...
Oct 05, 2008
@zote63
Zote, you just made my case for me thank you. When you said "I actually listened to Jeramiah Wright and he made sense to me." I wish people like you would give the same benefit of the doubt to prominent Republicans when they "speak out of context" that you give to anti-american nut jobs like Jeramiah Wright. The reason why there has been little outrage (and mainstream media coverage) from the left about Jeramiah is because they mostly agree with him, er, I mean, he makes sense to them. Thank you for confirming that. PS - Sarah never said she sold the plane on e-bay, she said she "put it on eBay" - it actually sold later in a private sale. But why let the truth get in the way of a good line to knock Palin?
Oct 05, 2008
@jasongoldberg - The thing about gay marriage is that whenever its been put to a vote (and not forced by the judiciary) the general public has voted overwhelmingly against gay marriage. Its just not an issue any of the mainstream candidates are going to latch on to. The mainstream candidates (and most Americans) are OK with civil unions, but they feel very strongly about the word marriage as being specifically applied to one man and one woman. They don't like it when a judge overrules the will of the people and forces gay marriage upon the populace.
Oct 06, 2008
Lets see, in California judges overruled the will of the people who voted down a gay marriage amendment (in California, which is a liberal paradise), I'd call that judicial activism and a progressive set of values being forced on a population that clearly said it didn't want it.
The divorce rate is a red herring. Nice try dog gone it :-), but it misses the point. 
Oct 06, 2008
@zote63 @thekookfringe.com do you realize that the two of you have completely managed to show the real problem with american politics in just a few comments?
Factionalism is the biggest problem we have, it's not one party or another, one person or another, it's the we're right, you're wrong mentality that people on both sides of the aisle have that keep us separated. Obama/Biden are not perfect, neither are McCain/Palin (and for that matter neither is Nader, Barr, McKinney, etc...) Neither party is the answer to the problems we face, because both want to keep things exactly as they are. The party system has been the biggest problem in our democracy from the beginning (read Washington's farewell address), factionalism is driving us farther apart, and both parties use wedge issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc... to continue the cycle.
Oct 06, 2008
@greghollingsworth ask yourself why is there always a debate in st. louis...when you found out the answer then talk to me...I am not for either obama or mcCain...I am also not for denying a human being their rights...you tell me how homosexuality threatens anyone and then I am might listen...war on iraq...war on drugs...prison complex...military industrial complex...and you say I am being right?...
Oct 06, 2008
@zote63 you're missing my point. I don't think homosexuality threatens anyone (as my many gay friends would certainly reinforce for you :)) I also think the war on drugs (which is the root cause of the prison complex) is a huge mistake.
I wasn't weighing judgment on either yours or @TheKookFringe.com's points, simply pointing out that factionalism (and the us v. them mentality that comes along with it) is the largest hurdle we face as a nation. Our political system will not change until the us v.them mentality becomes a "we mentality".
Oct 06, 2008
@zote63 and I think your knee-jerk reaction to my comment (which made no mention of any of the issues you were discussg with @thekookfringe) is a perfect example of what I was talking about.
Oct 06, 2008
@greghollingsworth those are good points...I had actually written a better response but I wasn't logged in so I lost it and I wanted to response promptly so it was more off the cuff..I agree with you factionalism is keeping us apart...
Oct 06, 2008
@greghollingsworth those are good points...I had actually written a better response but I wasn't logged in so I lost it and I wanted to response promptly so it was more off the cuff..I agree with you factionalism is keeping us apart...
Oct 06, 2008
@zote63 I have been there, and you're right, that second response is never as good as the first one that gets lost.
Oct 06, 2008
@greghollingsworth and you were right...it was knee jerk...a little too emotional...I just get riled up as I guess the other side does...I am willing to listen...but you know, when they start making whole segments of the population wrong it does make me emotional...
Oct 06, 2008
@greghollingsworth all I am saying is that they talk about the sanctity of marriage and yet the divorce rate is so high...sarah palin has a kid who is knocked up out of wedlock...
Oct 06, 2008
@zote63 i understand, that second post is never as good as the first one. We all get emotional from time to time, especially when politics are involved.
But, generally speaking, responding to irrational emotion with more irrational emotion never results in anything positive. Don't let them bait you, or don't take the bait.
Oct 06, 2008
@zote63 I understand your point. High divorce rates certainly lend less weight to a "sanctity of marriage" argument. And I don't think Bristol Palin's pregnancy has anything to do with anything (she should be left alone, it's bad enough that she's already been turned into an issue).
The best way to argue your own point is to do just that, discredit their argument with facts and logic. Resorting to hurling epithets never gets anybody anywhere.
Oct 06, 2008
@greghollingsworth I can accept that....you still haven't answered the question why a debate is always held in st. louis...
Oct 06, 2008
well, technically,there hasn't (one of the debates was cancelled). Every election since 1992 has had a debate scheduled at Wash. U. in ST. Louis, but to be honest, I guess I don't know why specifically that is the case (aside from the fact that they seem to have enough cash to pony up for hosting rights).
Oct 06, 2008
because the debates are handled by a private non for profit corporation which restricts access to the debates since 1987...budweiser is the #1 contributor...that's why it's held in st. louis...my point is democracy is severely restricted in this country..new orleans lobbied hard to hold a debate this year...they were told get loss...and i guess my even larger point is, what is the matter with kansas???
Oct 06, 2008
Getting back to the article at hand, ahem. It makes the valid point, which apparently we have to keep making over and over, that Palin lies extemporaneously, and effortlessly, about just about anything.
Oct 08, 2008
Well, it does get cold in Alaska...what happens there stays there though?
Oct 14, 2008
If you found out that in the end she did indeed have gay friends, would it really change your opinion about her?
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